Pioet

chezzer · Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:54 pm Post subject: Pioet

can some explain to me how to do a pioet as when i try i either cant turn all the way round or if i do i end up falling over my feet.
i know there should be pressure put down so able to turn but how? :lol:

dancersdreamland · Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:24 pm Post subject:

Welcome to the Forums, chezzer!

I'm sorry I can't help with your question as I don't dance ballet (yet), but I know someone on the Forum will get back to you. It's a wonderful, knowledgeful, and helpful group here! :D

pr · Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 1011 Location: Göteborg, Sweden

Welcome to Dance Forums Chezzer! :D

I'm very new to Ballet so I can't help you :(, but I hope someone else can! :)

Kuriin · Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 56 Location: In my imagination

chezzer wrote: can some explain to me how to do a pioet as when i try i either cant turn all the way round or if i do i end up falling over my feet.
i know there should be pressure put down so able to turn but how? :lol:

I do not know if you are misspelling it, but are you talking about a pirouette? I am sorry, but I do not have my Ballet Dictionary with me seeing as how I forgot it when I came up to New York to attend the Joffrey Ballet School summer program.

If you speak about the pirouette, there are numerous ways to do them:

En dehor and En dedan

From fifth position, from second position, from fourth position (the lunge), and I am sure there are first position pirouettes. All can be done, but you must work on spotting and ankle strength (releve/eleve, etc etc). Work on chaine spotting, then pique spotting. Don't use too much force, keep your knee back in perfect turn-out.

pr · Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 1011 Location: Göteborg, Sweden

Hi Kuriin! I have seen you at www.dance-forums.com and I'm glad you found your way over hear also! :D

chezzer · Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:11 pm Post subject:

Quote: I do not know if you are misspelling it, but are you talking about a pirouette? I am sorry, but I do not have my Ballet Dictionary with me seeing as how I forgot it when I came up to New York to attend the Joffrey Ballet School summer program.

If you speak about the pirouette, there are numerous ways to do them:

En dehor and En dedan

From fifth position, from second position, from fourth position (the lunge), and I am sure there are first position pirouettes. All can be done, but you must work on spotting and ankle strength (releve/eleve, etc etc). Work on chaine spotting, then pique spotting. Don't use too much force, keep your knee back in perfect turn-out.

yeh sorry i was spelling it wrong because honestly i dont know how to spell it im not good with words sorry.
thanks for your help though,i'll keep it in mind for when my next lesson is and will try it again. :)

chezzer · Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:12 pm Post subject:

n also im new here so dont know anyone so would be great if people got back to me and we could chat about anything :D

dancemom · Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 113 Location: So CA

welcome chezzer

Cami · Joined: 11 Jun 2005 Posts: 28

Hey chezzer,
are you just starting ballet (or pirouettes?)?
The spotting is hard and I think this is where all the youngsters have most problems with, if you don't learn proper spotting you won't be able to get very far with pirouettes (you can manage one and feel ok, after two you will be dizzy, if you have to do step step pirouette, step step pirouette, you will be completely lost and off track).

For spotting:
I teach my little ones (the way someone taught me) to go in quarters first. Go into forth position, then go up to releve, into pirouette position, and flip you body only a quarter of a complete turn. Your head doesn't move at all. Then move your head and go back into forth (or the other way round, first go into forth and then shift your head). Now facing another wall you do the same again, and again and again until you have done a whole round in 4 steps. First go slowly, take your time, then quicker. Once you feel you are ok at this, try to do it with half rounds. Your head has to be the last thing to move, when you feel your neck is about to snap (don't hurt yourself though).
When you are great at this do complete turns. This won't work in a day, or a week, even a month; you might need several months, maybe years to be perfect at spotting!
Another thing I do with the little ones is walk with your toes like a penguin (not in a ballet position at all, feet in 6th position) teeny tiny steps clockwise (or counterclockwise), focus on the front and only when you can't anymore let you head go all the way around, before your toes face the wall you started at again!

Also if you tend to fall, stand in 4rth position, prepare and just go into pirouette position (releve), without turning or anything (firstly at the bar or with a friend who can hold your hands, then free in the middle of a room), try to be able to stand there for several seconds. If you fall forwards, you have to much force, if you don't get there and fall backwards, then you have too little force. Work on it until you find the perfect amount of energy you need.
If you never manage maybe your position is wrong, stand on flat foot in pirouette position in front of a mirror and look if it looks ok, from the side (you should be bent a little bit forwards, as if you were trying to see someone from a window, but not too far out, you don't want to fall out of the window!)
Once you have all of that, work on turning.

Pirouettes are hard and they don't come in a day or two! You need to work hard, day after day.
I'd love to chat with you and to exchange information and help you with whatever you need,
love, Cami

Kuriin · Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 56 Location: In my imagination

Cami brings up a valid point: Begin in quarters, then in halves, then full turns. Once they are able to do clean full clean (able to stay up with foot in passe after pirouette is done and then bring into fourth lunge or fifth) single pirouettes, then work on doubles.

chezzer · Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:42 am Post subject:

Thankyou Cami. i will try that out.
i can do the spotting (sorry, you did write alot about spotting), i was able to do spotting as soon as i started ballet 2 years ago, its just the fact of were to put my feet and hands and how people are able to turn on one place, that confusses me. i can spin contantlly from one corner of the room to another with spotting so no dizzyness.
(sorry i am unable to name the names of each step, i have difficulty remembering :( )
thanks for you'r help everyone anyway, so helpful
n thanks cami, i will try and if im still unable i'll get back to ya :lol:
or if ya just wanna chat im here :)
cya x

pr · Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 1011 Location: Göteborg, Sweden

dancemom wrote: welcome chezzer
Ditto! :D

chezzer · Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:54 pm Post subject:

thanks :D

dance4life · Joined: 07 Jul 2005 Posts: 21 Location: Canada

Well some tips I have learned from my dance teacheer on doing a pirouette are:
1.Keep your weight over you standing foot.
2.Make sure your arms are strong and steady.
3.Instead of thinking about turning think about going up.
4.When you go to put your foot up flick it like you would a match.
5.Put your foot to the knee knob.
6.Keep your but pushed in and your stomach pulled up.
7.spot your turn.**This is a key rule for a pirouette.

Also a tip to get your pirouettes right is that you should practice balancing on flat foot first until you can easily balance in a pirouette possision.Then try it on a rise until you are well balanced.then you should be ready to do a full pirouette. :wink:

dancersdreamland · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:56 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the great tips, dance4life! I'll have to apply some of these to other types of turns as well!